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who are the irs defenders? gon the "new yo times" web site if can bear ook he at the this morni00% favorcmments f t glirs what do t say? >> covatives ed it. this is theof t irs to crush dissent bythe president's polal opponents. ou are wondngthe erica is the "new york in >> ton:hat great.ectio turned on on site not on that one. saome mom.clay i shas arst vilifion. had their com a repeate ying to tax exempt prove her worth like thuy. listen it? >> ffensive when someone asksfor every speech tt has eve been gn, i felt very of espely becauseove this country. a i'm try to do educate people. we speak about the constitution. it's not l doing ythg subvve angr peopl i just am flabbergast. >> now they are putti up that f. we will see if it's part of class action lawsuit or individualwsuit. >>here are awful lot o people in the same potion as becky gtson they worked hardhey w ims. >> clayton: discrimon. ed in a lawsuit.ould be was lation -- was it drimination? we don't know fully ye criteria was met.l of t we have tsee whe
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the irs it would be in the purview of congress. if the do nothing congress had acted and given us a guideline as to what constitutes a terrorist organization or not. >> let me ask you this. here is the question. the problem is not that they went through the forms and were diligent they were only diligent with one side they didn't put that to left wing groups. >> there are a lot of progressive groups in texas saying i didn't know it was illegal for the irs to ask me at that question. the plan that has gotten parted san on what constitutes a terrorist organization and political organization. i was saying giving coupons to hungry people that has been politicized, food stamps have been politicized if we can't agree food stamps are charity congress should be making this decision. >> we can have a different discussion about whether tax codes can be what it is this is what it is. i would like someone to come out and say what muslim groups were targeted this way whether muslims ask for prayers they pray no. what one progressive organizatio
the irs it would be in the purview of congress. if the do nothing congress had acted and given us a guideline as to what constitutes a terrorist organization or not. >> let me ask you this. here is the question. the problem is not that they went through the forms and were diligent they were only diligent with one side they didn't put that to left wing groups. >> there are a lot of progressive groups in texas saying i didn't know it was illegal for the irs to ask me at that question....
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it is telling the irs in the response to the i.g. said they gotten pressures from members of congress to look into tea party groups. that will be explored by the senate finance committee and house ways and means committee. >> jamie: the white house has asked staffers at meetings don't spend any more than 10% of your time on addressing this. what kind of strategy is that? >> i think the white house really fumbled their initial response to the irs scandal. so the end of the this week they picked up the game a bit. they are going to have to be relentless. this has to be on the president's desk on a daily basis for the in ex several weeks because congress is going to be looking into this for quite some time. >> jamie: look at all these hearings going on. forget about the costs to the taxpayers, there are other issues on the plate for the president. he is saying i want to focus on jobs immigration. middle-class will be focus. is he saying that this scandal or even benghazi doesn't impact those americans, as well? >> i think the strategy f
it is telling the irs in the response to the i.g. said they gotten pressures from members of congress to look into tea party groups. that will be explored by the senate finance committee and house ways and means committee. >> jamie: the white house has asked staffers at meetings don't spend any more than 10% of your time on addressing this. what kind of strategy is that? >> i think the white house really fumbled their initial response to the irs scandal. so the end of the this week...
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the people at the irs who are like storm troopers. the irs is the most feared agency in the world next to maybe the kgb. and these are the people tasked with enforcing making sure that everyone has health insurance? it is a disaster. this woman got $103,000 in bow nesss. taxpayer funded money. was basically promoted and oversaw the targeting of conservative and religious groups and she is getting a promotion. you are telling me that no one know hass is going on here. >> mike: steven miller salt there with a straight face and said the reason this happened is they were just trying to be so efficient. >> hilarious. let's not forget, steven miller was fired. he is is gone. now, i underand it obama did not -- obama did not take him out to the middle of times square and flog him like people might want. i think this is a fair point when you apply for tax exempt status does that make you immediately above the law? can we not ask a question as to whether or not your application is, correct? i think that is what they were trying to do. did they
the people at the irs who are like storm troopers. the irs is the most feared agency in the world next to maybe the kgb. and these are the people tasked with enforcing making sure that everyone has health insurance? it is a disaster. this woman got $103,000 in bow nesss. taxpayer funded money. was basically promoted and oversaw the targeting of conservative and religious groups and she is getting a promotion. you are telling me that no one know hass is going on here. >> mike: steven...
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of the irs. and g.o.p. lawmakers are insiferting, we will answer that, what they knew, when -- or knew nothing at all. they are vowing to, quote, get to the bottom of this. peter doocy's tracking this for us live in the bethway. good morning. >> good morning. not only does the white house say they were oblivious to the white house policies that were unfairly targeting conservingative groups, but a white house senior adviser says when the white house put a bull's-eye on parties with tea party or conservative groups, it may not have been political at all. >> look at what the inspector general said in their report and to congress on friday. 1; there is no evidence of outside influence, other than this came directly from the irs. and 2; this was not based on politically motivation. >> the house chairman thinks much, much differently than the white house advisers. this morgue, he said, not only was the irs giving the conservative groups unfair scrutiny, but they were leaking private tax information to
of the irs. and g.o.p. lawmakers are insiferting, we will answer that, what they knew, when -- or knew nothing at all. they are vowing to, quote, get to the bottom of this. peter doocy's tracking this for us live in the bethway. good morning. >> good morning. not only does the white house say they were oblivious to the white house policies that were unfairly targeting conservingative groups, but a white house senior adviser says when the white house put a bull's-eye on parties with tea...
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>> geraldo: the targeting of the irs by the tea party and other conservatives. >> was the irs using inappropriate criteria in its review of organizations applying for tax exempt status? yes. was the irs delaying their applications? yes, and finally, did the irs ask unnecessary and inappropriate questions of applicants. again, yes. >> it was inadvertent. just some odd underlings out of cincinnati that did this and there was no political motive whatever involved. the question is how stupid do they think we are? >> geraldo: stupid or crafty, the second scandal plaguing the administration is still the spin the state department put on benghazi. >> ongoing obsession with talking points and benghazi and the attempts to politicize that. constitute a side show driven purely by or largely by political interests. >> the fact that the state department was intimately involved in this and they were taking out factual information because they were worried about the political ramifications of that, i think that is a pretty important point. >> geraldo: and perhaps the most important point or at least the scandal
>> geraldo: the targeting of the irs by the tea party and other conservatives. >> was the irs using inappropriate criteria in its review of organizations applying for tax exempt status? yes. was the irs delaying their applications? yes, and finally, did the irs ask unnecessary and inappropriate questions of applicants. again, yes. >> it was inadvertent. just some odd underlings out of cincinnati that did this and there was no political motive whatever involved. the question is...
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you start with the irs agents at the cincinnati office. the guys you first tried to put all the blame on. then you put them in the grand jury and you ask them under oath which supervisors directed them to withhold tax exempt status and investigate any one who might criticize your administration. you feds know how to do that. you do it all the time. and by the way, the system doesn't need to be fixed, your administration needs to be fixed. so if you want the truth, tell your director of the irs exempt division the learned lois lerner the one who says she is not good at math not to lie to congress, which she did when she said that her screening process was unbiased. when in truth, two years ago, she knew her agents were flagging all cases of any one who might criticize your administration. but, of course, mr. president, you will get to the bottom of this. >>e think we will be able to -- i think we will be able to figure out exactly what happened, who was involved, what went wrong and we are going to be able to implement steps to fix it. and
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. >> the allegations are the irs was doing this for more than a year. a year ago the president was running for re-election, so did the people in the white house know the irs was applying additional scrutiny to the tax documents of conservative groups, perhaps to keep them at bay during the election? if that's the case, you could argue this was a political decision. if none of the political people in the white house knew about it, then the irs will say, well, we did this because it was overload. too many of these applications. you can make both arguments. congress needs to get to the bottom because who knew what, when is paramount importance. >> they have to spend half or a little more than half of all their money on certain matters and then the rest of it they can just spend on political operative business. that's because of this ruling from the supreme court. whether you like that or not doesn't matter but you have to investigate whether they're at the right threshold, whether they're documenting tax laws, but to apply to one side and not the other, th
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it's no wonder that the a little and irs get the message. the president demonizes his opponents. >> heather: so let's bring in our political panel, mercedes ex spokesperson for george w. bush and david mercer, deputy finance director for the dnc. david, is there a saying, do as i say, not as i do. is this a case of the opposite, do as i do, not as necessarily i say, where administration members give them low level or high don't need to be told directly to do these things, but they take do it by actions they see taken, an unspoken directive or culture of intimidation? >> i don't think that many would put stock on what the senate minority leader just mentioned with regard to this culture of intimidation. in fact, there is no proof of it. in fact, he needs to pay attention to the facts that were borne out in the investigation or the hearing on friday which was that one by the i.g. or inspector general, there was found to be no evidence of political motivation in the targeting. secondly, it wasn't the white house that was informed about this, it
it's no wonder that the a little and irs get the message. the president demonizes his opponents. >> heather: so let's bring in our political panel, mercedes ex spokesperson for george w. bush and david mercer, deputy finance director for the dnc. david, is there a saying, do as i say, not as i do. is this a case of the opposite, do as i do, not as necessarily i say, where administration members give them low level or high don't need to be told directly to do these things, but they take do...
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out by the rirks -- by the irs. it will be the first time lawmakers will have the chance to have her explain the policy and how high up the chain of command that the orders came. >> it will be very interesting. >> reporter: it will be great. >> we'll be on it. pfeifer was also on the defensive, concerning the deadly benghazi attack. he refused to say where exactly the president was that night and insisted that ambassador rice is owed an apology. we have more. >> reporter: the month-long controversy over the security support, the reactions and the revised talking points, after the 9/11 terror attack continue. dan pfeifer making the sunday rounds, standing by the independent review board's findings and he passionately says that the idea that the president was not responsive at the benghazi attack is offensive. >> with due respect, you didn't answer my question. what did the president do that night? >> he was in constantd touch with the national security team and kept up with events. >> was he in the situation room. >>
out by the rirks -- by the irs. it will be the first time lawmakers will have the chance to have her explain the policy and how high up the chain of command that the orders came. >> it will be very interesting. >> reporter: it will be great. >> we'll be on it. pfeifer was also on the defensive, concerning the deadly benghazi attack. he refused to say where exactly the president was that night and insisted that ambassador rice is owed an apology. we have more. >>...
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, in this case, to get to the truth of exactly what went on in the irs because the irs employees are not obviously telling us what went on and what the truth is. jon: and again, we're learning more about how all of these scandals are coming to light. this one, came from a question at an american bar association seminar, a forum, in which lois lerner sort of let it slip, oh, yeah, we targeted tea party groups kind of by accident. turns out the question had been planted according to "the washington post". >> right. so they don't break it, bringing it to congress, revealing it, through, some legitimate channel. they actually have a questioner that they plant at a conference where they just happen to drop it on a friday afternoon, the day that people usually drop things they want to fade away by the weekend, hoping that maybe the news cycle will bury it and weekend will bury it. jon: that way the administration can come out and say we told you about this a long time ago, this is old news. >> right. so you have all these, you know, suspicious allegations. you know i heard some allegations
, in this case, to get to the truth of exactly what went on in the irs because the irs employees are not obviously telling us what went on and what the truth is. jon: and again, we're learning more about how all of these scandals are coming to light. this one, came from a question at an american bar association seminar, a forum, in which lois lerner sort of let it slip, oh, yeah, we targeted tea party groups kind of by accident. turns out the question had been planted according to "the...
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what is the danger with the irs? >> this was just in the tax exempt division and that is the group that is tax exempt. you have to apply for that. this is just in that and targeting of groups on idea logical groupeds and look for someone with tea party in their name or numb- 12 or stougz -- constitution in their names. all of us deal with the irs in terms of our respective taxes and clearly the fear is that this sort of targeting could have gone on outside just this tax exemptn cincinnati. >> real quickly. i want to get your response on sarah hall ingram, she was the woman in charge while that was going on in the tax exempt division. now she's in charge leading the implementation of obama care for all americans, health care, the new affordable health care act. what is it that communicate to you? >> that has republicans nervous. people don't know how big of a part of the obama care is played by the irs. that is the enforcer of obama care and have to submit a w9 or 2 form softballing that you have coverage. if you are
what is the danger with the irs? >> this was just in the tax exempt division and that is the group that is tax exempt. you have to apply for that. this is just in that and targeting of groups on idea logical groupeds and look for someone with tea party in their name or numb- 12 or stougz -- constitution in their names. all of us deal with the irs in terms of our respective taxes and clearly the fear is that this sort of targeting could have gone on outside just this tax exemptn...
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even the irs. it just feeds the beast as opposed to, you know, to creating opportunity for the president to move on with the business of his administration. so i wouldn't say he's aloof. i would say that i think he's underestimated the opposition. >> arthel: bret, how do you see it? >> i think the president's strength is derived from his credibility and leadership and the president has not exhibited either in the cases of the scandals that are swirling around him. he's aloof, condescending, dismisssive. and that's not what the american expect out of their president, especially one who promised us in 2008 that he'd have the most open, transparent and honest government our country has ever seen. and it's been quite the contrary. it's been the most secretive and oppressive to those people he perceives as enemies. i think the american people are saying, either our president is incompetent or he's a liar or maybe a combination of both. that's not a very good attribute for the american people to put to t
even the irs. it just feeds the beast as opposed to, you know, to creating opportunity for the president to move on with the business of his administration. so i wouldn't say he's aloof. i would say that i think he's underestimated the opposition. >> arthel: bret, how do you see it? >> i think the president's strength is derived from his credibility and leadership and the president has not exhibited either in the cases of the scandals that are swirling around him. he's aloof,...
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the, the irs is scariest of all federal government agencies to the average american. and they don't like thinking that nobody's running the irs. you know in the first four years of the obama administration everything was george bush's fault. now apparently everything is nobody's fault because nobody is taking responsibility for the government anymore. bill: your comment about republicans. do you think on the senate and house side so far they have done that, they have stuck to, what you believe is a cautious approach to find the facts? >> well, i think that's happening and i think the house hearings will andould go . i hope that chairman baucus, the democrat chairman of the finance committee in the senate and others who have said there should be senate hearings move forward with that. i think this is a moment when we should take our time, we should be have your facts straight, and, see where that leads us. you should, if nobody is running the irs, somebody needs to. if nobody is responsible for talking points that try to explain the death of americans overseas somebody
the, the irs is scariest of all federal government agencies to the average american. and they don't like thinking that nobody's running the irs. you know in the first four years of the obama administration everything was george bush's fault. now apparently everything is nobody's fault because nobody is taking responsibility for the government anymore. bill: your comment about republicans. do you think on the senate and house side so far they have done that, they have stuck to, what you believe...
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irs all of the republicans are doing fishing expeditions. how can they talk about a fishing expedition when that's what they are doing against the ap. >> the white house may not be able to simply tweet past these matters. there are two congressional hearings two weeks alone just on theic irs. president obama had another commencement speech at moorehouse college. absent were his recent themes for these sorts of addresses talking about trust in government something that seems to be in rather short supply now. >> thanks so much, doug. we look a lot alike the blonde hair. >> i take that as a compliment. in case you are just getting up stay with us. stunning news for any one who wears sunscreen. dr. mark seigel explains next. : >> a new report out this morning from a consumer watchdog is getting a heads up to your beach goers before this weekend memorial day weekend. the report says while most sunscreens meet fda standards many sunscreens continue to carry fda readings that are misleading. we are separate can fact from fiction. dr. mark seigel of
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up next, a congressman who says he has a plan to dependent the irs out of the -- get the irs out of the health care business. >> steve: she's 101 years old, she's about to smoke brian and moi. >> gretchen: first the aflac trivia question of the day. this boxer was named after ray charles, his mother's favorite singer. be the first to e-mail us with the correct answer have a good night. here you go. you, too. i'm going to dream out that steak. i'm going to dream about that tiramisu. what a night, huh? but, um, can the test drive be over now? head back to the dealership? [ male annocer ] it's practically yours. but we stilleed ur signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a passat. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, and $0 first month's payment on any new volkswagen. visit vwdealer.com today. since aflac is helping with his expenses while he can't work, he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. kick! kick... feel it! feel it! feel it
up next, a congressman who says he has a plan to dependent the irs out of the -- get the irs out of the health care business. >> steve: she's 101 years old, she's about to smoke brian and moi. >> gretchen: first the aflac trivia question of the day. this boxer was named after ray charles, his mother's favorite singer. be the first to e-mail us with the correct answer have a good night. here you go. you, too. i'm going to dream out that steak. i'm going to dream about that tiramisu....
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send the irs to check his records and give him something else to worry about instead of harassing me and check his facebook time line, i am sure something is on there to tax him for. and send the drones to fly over his house.
send the irs to check his records and give him something else to worry about instead of harassing me and check his facebook time line, i am sure something is on there to tax him for. and send the drones to fly over his house.
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but in this case, shulman no runs the irs, still runs the irs. nobody has been fired. >> that is where we have to finally -- and i hope our leadership will step up to the plate. this is too serious. this is about a separation of powers. if we do not stand up for the vacation of powers and the oversight authority of congress, then you might as well crown somebody king and go on because we have allowed this great experiment in democracy to crumble. >> tucker: if the administration will use the irs to punish it's political enemy, what won't it do? >> that is what we need to find out. they will order military members to stand down who are ready to save our military members. the administration released a report that glen dougherty died when seeking cover. that was lie when they released it. they were heroes. other individual had his leg blown off with ty, he is still undergoing surgery and rehab. there are answers and we should not stop until we get them. that includes punishing anyone who has impeded the investigation. this is too serious. people tha
but in this case, shulman no runs the irs, still runs the irs. nobody has been fired. >> that is where we have to finally -- and i hope our leadership will step up to the plate. this is too serious. this is about a separation of powers. if we do not stand up for the vacation of powers and the oversight authority of congress, then you might as well crown somebody king and go on because we have allowed this great experiment in democracy to crumble. >> tucker: if the administration...
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the irs. how scary is that. when the irs comes in there you are not allowed to be showedy. this is an overreach. >> they prevented people from going into business. this is in the middle of a presidential campaign. they hamstrung some of the president's most vocal opponents prevented them from entering into the campaign debate. when charlie rangel head of the ways and means committee does not pay his own taxes is outraged. you know it's a story. >> you know it's bad. >> the woman who was in charge of the tax exempt office during this time from something like 2009 to 2012, his name is sarah hall ingram, moved on to obama care, affordable care act. now they are saying this is the woman who allowed this be on the lookout for targeting list of the tea party she is going to be the law enforcement officer of who complies with obama care? they don't like that plan. >> do you think? >> this can't stand. you couldn't make this up. it is the woman who oversaw this attack on the president's political oppo
the irs. how scary is that. when the irs comes in there you are not allowed to be showedy. this is an overreach. >> they prevented people from going into business. this is in the middle of a presidential campaign. they hamstrung some of the president's most vocal opponents prevented them from entering into the campaign debate. when charlie rangel head of the ways and means committee does not pay his own taxes is outraged. you know it's a story. >> you know it's bad. >> the...
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if someone in the irs made another statement to someone in the irs and lied about it, they can go to jail. finally, the hatch act, the hatch act prevents federal government employees from engaging in partisan political activities. so if you're targeting tea party, conservatives, constitutional organizations, bill of rights organizations and trying to suppress their ability to participate in an informational way in the process, you can go to jail for that potentially. >> steve: okay. now there is a story out of cincinnati, the fox affiliate there says that we've heard that there are two rogue employees. fox affiliate identified four and apparently they have told people we were simply following the orders of our superiors. so those people who are actually doing the work of the people who told them to go ahead and do something, who is the most trouble there? >> a lot of people i think are going to be in trouble, or potentially in trouble. there will be a cascading effect up and down in terms of information. this goes further than cincinnati. we know that it goes around the country. so i
if someone in the irs made another statement to someone in the irs and lied about it, they can go to jail. finally, the hatch act, the hatch act prevents federal government employees from engaging in partisan political activities. so if you're targeting tea party, conservatives, constitutional organizations, bill of rights organizations and trying to suppress their ability to participate in an informational way in the process, you can go to jail for that potentially. >> steve: okay. now...
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what the obama administration knew about the irs scandal and when seems to be changing by the day. chief white house correspondent ed henry has more on that evolving story. >> new problems today for president obama in the irs scandal as spokesman jay carney seemed to change the white house's account in two key ways. >> on april 24th, as i said the white house council was informed that the inspector general for tax was completing a report about lying irs employees improperly scrutinizing what are known as 501 c 4 organizations by using words such as tea party and patriot. >> significant, carney is now saying ruemmler got some details about the probe. given that yesterday senior advisor dan pfeiffer seemed to suggest otherwise about what the white house was told. >> not the details of what happened. not the results of the investigations but the independent investigation was about to conclude. >> secondly, carney revealed today a wider group of senior white house officials, including chief of staff dennis mcdonough were informed by ruemmler of the probe but did not tell the president.
what the obama administration knew about the irs scandal and when seems to be changing by the day. chief white house correspondent ed henry has more on that evolving story. >> new problems today for president obama in the irs scandal as spokesman jay carney seemed to change the white house's account in two key ways. >> on april 24th, as i said the white house council was informed that the inspector general for tax was completing a report about lying irs employees improperly...
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the irs is just the most recent example. what we're talking about here is an attitude that the government knows best. the nanny state is here to tell us all what to do. >> david gregory tried to blow him off on that and he couldn't achieve it because anyone who is watching what's gone on the last few weeks will realize that it's, in fact, true. we need the president to give a speech about these three events and say this is what happened. this is ha i know. this is why i didn't know it. i'm sorry for not knowing it. and it is relevant because it goes to the heart of trust of our government in this country. for these block heads to continue to say that irrelevant, that you p are smoking some kind of whacky toe tobacco, that is not relevant. this is relevant. this goes to the heart of the constitution and our future. h & r block head comes to the irs. wrong. wrong. >> steve: peter johnson, jr. is on fire this morning! >> wrong. come on. tell the true. >> steve: all right. peter johnson, jr., thank you. >> truth. truth. truth. >
the irs is just the most recent example. what we're talking about here is an attitude that the government knows best. the nanny state is here to tell us all what to do. >> david gregory tried to blow him off on that and he couldn't achieve it because anyone who is watching what's gone on the last few weeks will realize that it's, in fact, true. we need the president to give a speech about these three events and say this is what happened. this is ha i know. this is why i didn't know it....
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tempers boiling about the scandal at the irs. welcome to "america live," everyone, i'm megyn kelly. we have been watching a remarkable hearing in washington, d.c. just wrapping up moments ago. both republican and democratic members of the house ways and means committee grilling the now ousted irs commissioner, booted about a couple weeks early from his job. steve miller with the blistering barrage of questions, asking him who gave the order to target conservative groups more than two years ago. challenging miller with accusation that's previously lied repeatedly to congress. when asked about this issue in prior appearances before them. and also asking whether the irs shared information on these groups improperly
tempers boiling about the scandal at the irs. welcome to "america live," everyone, i'm megyn kelly. we have been watching a remarkable hearing in washington, d.c. just wrapping up moments ago. both republican and democratic members of the house ways and means committee grilling the now ousted irs commissioner, booted about a couple weeks early from his job. steve miller with the blistering barrage of questions, asking him who gave the order to target conservative groups more than two...